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Challenging: Evil Bible.Com's
"Evils, Atrocities and Injustices of the Torah"

(Part 1 of 3)

The following allegations were found on the Evil Bible.Com website. This particular website is managed by a dyed-in-the-wool atheist who, by taking Scripture out of context, attempts to mislead others into believing his own, skewed concepts of the Bible. This hate-mongering website and chatroom - which basically does nothing but spew venom at God, the Bible, and believers in Yeshua (Jesus) - is a perfect example of why the Bible warns: The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned (1 Corinthians 2:14).

Most people don't realize that websites such as Evil Bible are run by narrow-minded, bigoted people with a very limited and twisted understanding of God and the Bible. No amount of proof "gets through" to these people - who swarm like screeching vultures on anyone who tries to present Biblical Truth to them. The goal of The Refiner's Fire's is to be a beacon of light in this dark world of atheistic distortions - and to challenge their unfounded allegations.

Evil Bible Allegation: God now commands that all women must have health hazardous labors for Eve ate the fruit. In no way shape or form is it just that I must pay for the sins of my ancestors. Genesis 3:16

The Refiner's Fire Response:

Who said life was fair? If you tell your kid not to play with matches because a resulting fire will burn and scar you for life, and your kid willfully disobeys and ends up setting the house on fire - what happens? He not only incurs your wrath because you now have no house and you're out on the street, not to mention, you have a horribly disfigured kid who will cost you an arm and a leg in medical bills. Is it fair that your kid made you suffer? Is it fair that a pedophile father makes his son or daughter to suffer at his hands? If is fair that man has caused the extinction of many beautiful animals, just because he wanted to have their head hanging on his den wall? Was it fair of Hitler to exterminate six million Jews just because he felt they were a threat?

God is the Creator. He is in charge; man is not! When our parents command us to do something, we are to do it, no questions asked. If they say, "don't do drugs," then DON'T do drugs because it's for your own good!

God gave ONE SINGLE command in the Garden of Eden: Genesis 2: 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die. And man couldn't even keep that one commandment - let alone the 613 He gave to the Jews, and later on the Ten Commandments, which most people today feel don't even pertain to them!

Adam and Eve disobeyed about something really major - something that affected ALL their future offspring - and they deserved punishment for it, don't you think? They had been living a perfect, stress-less life, and the only thing God demanded was that they not to eat from a particular tree because it would open their eyes to things that would open the proverbial "can of worms" that has become our world today: decadent behavior (divorce rate is through the roof, there's rampant homosexuality, senseless murders via drive-by shootings, etc., and there were even kooks raping, pillaging, and plundering immediately after Hurricane Katrina hit! Since the beginning, there has been endless strife in this world, along with lots of pain and suffering, famine, death, and wars caused by the hand of man who thinks he knows everything.....)

Not only did Adam and Eve disobey God's one simple command, but in the process, they gave birth to the first "blame game" because they now KNEW "good and evil"):

Genesis 3:

1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?"

2 The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.'"

4 "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the LORD God called to the man, "Where are you?"

10 He answered, "I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid."

11 And he said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?"

12 The man said, "The woman you put here with me - she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it."<

13 Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?"

The woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate."

14 So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, "Cursed are you above all the livestock and all the wild animals! You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life. 15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel."

16 To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you." 17 To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it,' cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life. 18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field. 19 By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return."

(If the above sounds silly to you, it's because you can't understand the things of God with your limited, human mindset. Unless we have the Holy Spirit residing in our souls, we CANNOT understand God. Web masters such as the one at Evil Bible are living proof of that! The thing is, it's all REAL, and the proof is in the fact that HUNDREDS of Bible prophecies have come true over the last few thousand years and are unfolding before our very eyes!)

God had every right to be angry and to punish the Adam and Eve for their disobedience. After all, they had just ruined the future of mankind! In His fury, rather than to put Adam and Eve to death, however, He gave them animal skins with which to cover their nakedness (because, along with everything else, they had now been made aware of "shame"). This was a picture of the first "blood covering". (God has always required blood sacrifices to atone for sin. This is because, as He tells us in Leviticus 17:11 - For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one's life. and Deuteronomy 12:23 - But be sure you do not eat the blood, because the blood is the life, and you must not eat the life with the meat. Blood is the symbol of life. It nourishes our own bodies and that of our unborn children. Without it, we die and turn to dust.)

Genesis 3:

21 The LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever." 23 So the LORD God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.

People seem to overlook the fact that the "serpent" himself, was thrown out of heaven for trying to be "like God". NOBODY is God but GOD Himself! Adam and Eve, rather than to heed their CREATOR, decided to heed the serpent, instead, thus condemning all following generations to have to deal with "the knowledge of good and evil".

Evil Bible Allegation: God caused sibling rivalry by favoring Abel over Cain, with absolutely no attempt at justification. This act of favoritism led to Abel's death. Genesis 4:3-5

The Refiner's Fire Response:

First of all, God doesn't have to "justify" anything, because EVERYTHING He does is perfect and for a reason. (You don't have to justify to your kid why he shouldn't do drugs. You tell him it's bad for him, it might even kill him, and that's the end of it. When parents speak, kids are to listen - whether they agree or not.) Secondly, the Evil Bible web master has AGAIN taken Scripture out of context. Let's take a look at what actually happened:

Genesis 4:

Now Abel kept flocks, and Cain worked the soil. 3 In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the LORD. 4 But Abel brought fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The LORD looked with favor on Abel and his offering, 5 but on Cain and his offering he did not look with favor. So Cain was very angry, and his face was downcast. 6 Then the LORD said to Cain, "Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? 7 If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must master it."

In order to grasp the meaning of this, one has to have a good understanding of Torah, including Exodus 12:1-13 wherein God describes exactly what type of animal is to be used for sacrifice, and what types of sacrifices will be accepted. Even though the Bible doesn't outline specifics about sacrifices until the Book of Leviticus, Cain and Abel obviously KNEW about sacrifices in their day, which means Cain knew exactly what was and what wasn't an appropriate sacrifice to bring before God. He chose to bring whatever he wanted, rather than what he KNEW God wanted.

"To see the law in its right place, we must look at the circumstances going before. We must not imagine that the world was without law from God in the times before the law of Moses. There is the clearest evidence that law, commandment and statute were in force, and that men were righteous or wicked according to their attitude towards these during that time. Thus of Abraham God said to Isaac, he "kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes and my laws" (Gen. 26: 5), which was centuries before the giving of the law.

So - Cain KNEW what to bring. He KNEW that sin offerings require blood, yet he took the easy way out, since he was a farmer of crops instead of animals. As a result, rather than to realize he'd goofed and simply admit it, he instead became jealous of and angry with his brother. He killed Abel - a sin that was a direct result of Adam and Eve's disobedience - because, before they disobeyed God and ate from the forbidden tree, it never occurred to anyone to fight, argue, or be murderously jealous! The Bible tells us that we reap what we sow....

Genesis 4:

8 Now Cain said to his brother Abel, "Let's go out to the field." And while they were in the field, Cain attacked his brother Abel and killed him.

9 Then the LORD said to Cain, "Where is your brother Abel?"

"I don't know," he replied. "Am I my brother's keeper?"

See the sin in Cain? Not only did he kill his brother, he also LIED about it! Like most humans who think they're smarter than God, Cain figured he could talk his way out of what he had done and just get on with his life.

10 The LORD said, "What have you done? Listen! Your brother's blood cries out to me from the ground. 11 Now you are under a curse and driven from the ground, which opened its mouth to receive your brother's blood from your hand. 12 When you work the ground, it will no longer yield its crops for you. You will be a restless wanderer on the earth."

13 Cain said to the LORD, "My punishment is more than I can bear. 14 Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me."

15 But the LORD said to him, "Not so; if anyone kills Cain, he will suffer vengeance seven times over." Then the LORD put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. 16 So Cain went out from the LORD's presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden.

Now, here is yet another sign of God's mercy: Rather than to allow Cain to be killed for the evil sin he had committed, God told him He would protect him! Cain brought his own punishment upon himself, yet God spared him for reasons only GOD Himself knows!

Evil Bible Allegation: Genesis 7:23 - He killed, intentionally, every man, woman, and child on the planet, save eight of them.

The Refiner's Fire Response:

Again, as usual, Evil Bible picks and chooses Scripture WITHOUT bothering to take it in context! This is because they intentionally want God to look evil and are making every effort to lead you astray by omitting certain things. They figure that you aren't smart enough to check the Bible for yourself in order to find out WHY God did what He did. Well, since Evil Bible didn't show you, WE WILL:

Genesis 6: 5 The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time. 6 The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain. 7 So the LORD said, "I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth - men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air - for I am grieved that I have made them." 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD.

9 ... Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked with God. 10 Noah had three sons: Shem, Ham and Japheth.

11 Now the earth was corrupt in God's sight and was full of violence. 12 God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways. 13 So God said to Noah, "I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth....

17 I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish. 18 But I will establish my covenant with you, and you will enter the ark - you and your sons and your wife and your sons' wives with you....

Every generation after Adam and Eve were guilty of sinning and of continuing to ignore God. What did you expect God to do? By this time, God was pretty much disgusted with His creation! He cannot tolerate sin, and He had warned man over and over and over! God saved Noah and his family because they were the ONLY "righteous" people on earth that time. Noah found favor with God because Noah was "blameless" in the sight of the Lord, and he walked with God. Of all the people on the face of the earth in his day, only Noah was found righteousness in the sight of the Lord, and so God warned Noah of the destruction He was about to bring upon the earth and saved Noah and his family from death.

Evil Bible Allegation: God commands Hagar go back into servanthood and bear children for her master though she does not want to. Genesis 16:7-9

The Refiner's Fire Response:

Ironic that Evil Bible would mention this, because it's obvious they have no idea that this is the beginning of the conflict between Isaac and Ishmael: The forefathers of the Jews with whom God made His everlasting Covenant (Genesis 17:9-15), and the Muslims who are still trying to kill them off and take their Promised Land to this very day....

First of all, we have to understand that slavery in those days was very much condoned. (Slavery was not a God-made thing; it was man's idea!) Secondly, in examining Genesis 16, we find that Evil Bible has twisted the facts AGAIN (because they do NOT know their Scriptures!).

Hagar was NOT "forced" to go back and bear children for her master; she was Abram's second wife, given to him by his first wife, Sarai, who couldn't bear children of her own (or so she thought). However, for some reason, Hagar became angry once she discovered she was pregnant, and Sarai consequently mistreated her and she then ran away. The "angel of the Lord" then found her and told her to go back (in part, because she had nowhere else to go and was in peril out from under the covering of her husband/master), and also because GOD'S PLAN all along had been to give Abram and Sarai a child of their own (Isaac) which would be the beginning of the Jewish people - the people of His Covenant who would make the world aware of GOD! However, Sarai's impatience (understandably from a human viewpoint, since she was already in her eighties) caused Abram to prematurely have a son by his second wife, which God already knew would end up being an uncontrollable "wild donkey of a man". SARAI and ABRAM were responsible for throwing that proverbial monkey wrench into God's plan by not trusting Him to be able to give them a son in their old age....

That being the case, God in His mercy (rather than to kill Hagar and her unborn child) sent an angel to tell her that, if she would return to Abram, God would increase her own descendants so that they would be too numerous to count. The descendants of Hagar are the present day Muslims who STILL hate the Jews, are constantly killing them off via "suicide bombings" in Israel, and are posing the biggest threat to the entire world today! Thanks to Ishmael, that "wild donkey of a man", God is able to use the Spirit of Islam to help usher in His "end time" scenario....

Genesis 16:

1 Now Sarai, Abram's wife, had borne him no children. But she had an Egyptian maidservant named Hagar; 2 so she said to Abram, "The LORD has kept me from having children. Go, sleep with my maidservant; perhaps I can build a family through her."

Abram agreed to what Sarai said. 3 So after Abram had been living in Canaan ten years, Sarai his wife took her Egyptian maidservant Hagar and gave her to her husband to be his wife. 4 He slept with Hagar, and she conceived. When she knew she was pregnant, she began to despise her mistress. 5 Then Sarai said to Abram, "You are responsible for the wrong I am suffering. I put my servant in your arms, and now that she knows she is pregnant, she despises me. May the LORD judge between you and me."

6 "Your servant is in your hands," Abram said. "Do with her whatever you think best." Then Sarai mistreated Hagar; so she fled from her.

7 The angel of the LORD found Hagar near a spring in the desert; it was the spring that is beside the road to Shur. 8 And he said, "Hagar, servant of Sarai, where have you come from, and where are you going?" "I'm running away from my mistress Sarai," she answered.

9 Then the angel of the LORD told her, "Go back to your mistress and submit to her." 10 The angel added, "I will so increase your descendants that they will be too numerous to count."

11 The angel of the LORD also said to her: "You are now with child and you will have a son. You shall name him Ishmael, for the LORD has heard of your misery. 12 He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers."

13 She gave this name to the LORD who spoke to her: "You are the God who sees me," for she said, "I have now seen the One who sees me." 14 That is why the well was called Beer Lahai Roi; it is still there, between Kadesh and Bered.

15 So Hagar bore Abram a son, and Abram gave the name Ishmael to the son she had borne. 16 Abram was eighty-six years old when Hagar bore him Ishmael.

In order to understand the entire sequence of events, it's important to note that PRIOR to this, God had assured Abram and Sarai that they WOULD have their own child (Genesis 15:4, Genesis 17:15-16). The problem was, rather than to be patient and trust in God's promise for progeny, they got impatient and began the fiasco with Hagar. God, knowing the outcome of their decisions in advance, USED their deeds to help bring about His end time scenario, thousands of years in the future: The Conflict Between the Jews and the Arabs Started in Biblical Times.