The Refiner's Fire:

Dear Pastor Pierce:

It says the following on your KKK website:

The Ku Klux Klan is STILL in existence and growing everyday. We stand for America, the Christian faith and the Constitution as it was intended to be administered. We are a modern, politically active, White Rights organization dedicated to preventing the further decay of America. We are proud of our traditions and heritage, we are proud of the great accomplishments of the Klan of old, we are proud of our Race and history and we will go forth and once again add another chapter to the glory of our Order.

Response: You are growing every day because the decadence in the U.S. is worsening every day! You don't stand "for America" and especially not for the Christian faith, because your actions defy EVERYTHING that God and the Bible stand for! If you're proud of your race and history of violence, decadence, murdering, thieving, and chaos - go for it. But don't try to involve Christianity or God in it....

Religious Ideals: To educate Godly men to seek and save the Lost Sheep of Israel.

Response: How can you educate "Godly men" when you are not Godly yourselves? HOW are you saving the "Lost Sheep of Israel"? Israel is the Jews, and you certainly aren't doing ANYTHING to try to lead them to Jesus!

To License new ministers and help establish churches throughout this Nation.

Response: God forbid, and may He thwart all your efforts because you are a hate-mongering group! We don't need you to license any ministers. Any ministers YOU license would be from Satan, not GOD!

To Make our doctrine known by all who care to know it.

Response: You're making your own doctrine, all right. Your website reeks of it!

To bring revival to America, bringing back the knowledge of the true faith to Gods Chosen people.

Response: Only GOD can bring revival; not a bunch of hateful, murdering, thieving people whose sole goal is to plant hatred everywhere they go. The JEWS are God's Chosen people! Check the Bible, and stop twisting Scripture!

Pastor Pierce's Response:

Thank you for your insightful if not hateful response. It is clear you did read our site thoroughly, but only enough to satisfy your need to abuse someone. No where on our site do we tell anyone to hate, just the opposite in fact.

As for your accusations of criminal behavior, they are preposterous, we are a legally recognized corporation. If we were criminals the State would easily put us out of business!

The churches our site is linked to are also legally chartered, non-profits... recognized by the Federal government as tax exempt religious institutions. As it reads on that site; " those who beat the drum of tolerance, will not dance to its music."

Still we respect your opinion, and hope you will really read what the sites have to say, with an open mind not one closed in bigoted hatred.

Pastor Travis Pierce

And another e-mail from Pastor Pierce:

Having actually read your site, (we were not given that consideration when you attacked us) I can say its well written propaganda. Hate speech has never been more dolled up. It is clear you tolerate anything, except those who disagree with you.

You claim Israel, (the nation) has the right to exist. Jews not only expect but, demand that this be recognized. Very well, can we not expect the same? You accused us of criminal acts without proof, and degraded our faith, you make a point of using the scripture, (the Bible) curiously you do not quote from the Talmud. May I?

YEBAMOTH, 103a-103b. "When the serpent copulated with Eve (14) with lust. The lust of the Israelites (15) who stood at Mount Sinai (16) came to an end, the lust of idolators who did not stand at Mount Sinai did not come to an end."

(footnotes)

"(14) In the Garden of Eden, according to tradition.

(15) i.e., the human species.

(16) And experienced the purifying influence of divine Revelation."

Hmmm.... You mean there is no proof of Christian Identity Seedline teachings?

Or What about?

Soferim 15, Rule 10. This is the saying of Rabbi Simon Ben Yohai: Tob shebe goyyim harog (" Even the best of the gentiles should all be killed"). This passage from the original Hebrew text of the Talmud Bavli (Babylonian Talmud) as quoted by the 1907 Jewish Encyclopedia, published by Funk and Wagnall's and compiled by Isadore Singer, under the entry "Gentile" on page 617.

I could go on, however I realize that most others will find this a bit confusing because they have never read nor do they understand what is written in the Talmud. Indeed you may pooh pooh it altogether but no orthodox Jew would dare.

Your attacks are not only unfounded, but wholly dishonest. You may if you dare publish this e-mail, but do me the courtesy of doing so without cutting and pasting your line by line attacks into the text.

In all charity,

Pastor Travis Pierce

The Refiner's Fire:

Well, I "dared" to post our correspondence.....

Pastor Pierce's response:

Good for you! However I do resent that you continue to infer that we are involved in criminal activity of any nature. Unless you can name one member of The Ku Klux Klan, LLC. under the leadership of Pastor Travis Pierce, accused let alone convicted of any crime, that you might be aware of the laws regarding the publishing of unsubstantiated accusations that defame a legitimate, legal organization. We are chartered by the State of Arkansas, recognized as The Ku Klux Klan, LLC.a for profit, tax paying business.

No where on our site or literature do we ask anyone to hate, harass or intimidate any person of any race or creed. We are pro-Christian, (not Judeo-Christian) and pro-American, we do not accept foreign nationals for membership. Your vitriolic attacks are no surprise to us, religious bigotry is more common than not. You accuse me of "twisting" scripture amazing when in fact I quoted none in my correspondence with you. You have not asked of our doctrine, you have instructed us on it from your point of view.

We will not agree on doctrine or interpretation I am certain, but then our site is not seeking converts, it is merely instructional. There are many so called "Klan" styled organizations out there, we do not speak for or represent them nor do they speak for or represent us in any matter.

Sincerely, Pastor Travis Pierce

The Refiner's Fire:

Dear Pastor Pierce,

The bottom line is: No matter how much you try to color it with "niceties" or Bible speak, the KKK is a hate group. I tolerate what God and the Bible tell me to tolerate - which is ONLY that which is strictly Biblical. I am not to tolerate, for instance, "gay marriages" or abortions, or groups whose roots were in killing Negroes "anonymously", and who spread hate and violence against my fellow Jews or other races of this world.

"Curiously" I do not "quote the Talmud"? Why should I? It's MAN-MADE commentary made by a FEW rabbis of old who were trying to figure out God's Word. The Talmud is NOT from God.....Most Jews don't realize that because their spiritual eyes have not been opened yet. God will do all that in due time. In the meantime, if you are truly a pastor, you NEED to try to lead them to the Lord, rather than putting them down at every turn with hate speech about the "seedline" stuff! Remember Jesus' commands that we are to LOVE ONE ANOTHER and SPREAD THE GOSPEL????

There is NO proof to the "Seedline" stuff! I have examined much of what has been said about it, and it isn't Biblical. You are TWISTING Scripture! When someone has the audacity to say that the Jews are all descendants of Cain who was a result of Eve's having sex with the serpent, they are making things up because the Bible clearly states (in EVERY SINGLE BIBLE "VERSION" ON EARTH) that Adam and Eve had sexual relations and Cain was born! Fallacy Number Two is your assertion that, because Cain isn't listed in the Genesis 5 genealogy, he must have been a product of the serpent. Well, did you forget to read the Scriptures that tell us in Gen. 5: 4 After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters. - and none of THEM were listed in the Bible genealogies, either....(Perhaps the KKK members are descendants of those seemingly insignificant, anonymous, unlisted sons and daughters???)

While the bible contains history, it is not a comprehensive history book. The genealogies, when given, are provided because they relate to Messiah Yeshua to trace His ancestory from Adam and through Noah, Abraham, David, and then to Joseph and Mary (Joseph is not Yeshua's biological father but is His legal father and that's important to establish the right to be heir to David's throne - Mary's geneology is given to establish His right to rule by blood.) Genealogies of others not related to the Messiah are not given because they are not relevant. Cain's offspring are not named and the genealogy is not tracked because they do not relate to Yeshua's genealogy - it's as simple as that.

My attacks against you were totally warranted? Anyone who spreads "Seedline" stuff is a liar who learned how to twist Scripture. Nothing more, nothing less. Satan, not God, is the author of deceit and hatred.

Matthew 24:11: and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.

Matthew 24:24: For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect–if that were possible

Pastor Pierce, as a pastor, you are "among the elect". I don't know you, but I love you in Messiah. If you feel "attacked", I am very sorry. But the bottom line is, you are not serving God by spreading false Gospel. I think you know, deep down in your heart, that you are. Please "snap out of it" and get yourself right with Him. These are the end times, and Matthew 7:13 tells us that most people will NOT be taking the "narrow gate that leads to life". Jesus does not condone what you are doing and I sure would hate for you to be one of the people He will "spit out of His mouth"....