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The Shema does NOT prove that God exists in "three persons" and Yeshua was NOT Elohim!

First of all, when the Shema was received, it was understood as if Elohim is only one. It was also given, in contradiction to all the heathen religions which said there were many gods. Now it was revealed that there is only one God, one Elohim.

Furthermore, when words in Hebrew are stated in plural, it doesn't necessarily mean plural, it can also be used to really underline the meaning of the word. Example, Elohim is plural, and is used to underline His majesty and sovreignty. Elohim is also used to refer to other gods mentioned in the bible. Philistine god Dagon for example is referred to as the elohim of the philistees. He was without a doubt considered as one god.

About Yeshua's nature, and the trinity, this was not from Yeshua, nor the Apostles, nor from the Jewish believers, nor even among the Messianic "Gentile" synagogues which Sha'ul planted. It came from Gentiles who were formed by Greek philosophy. This happened around the time of Nicea and the times which led there. "Trinity" simply Gentile thinking.

How Gentiles and Jews reacted when Elohim maked miracles trough men:

When Yeshua invoked miracles the people praised Elohim, praising the awsome power Elohim had given to man.

When Sha'ul and Barnaba invoked miracles, the people thought that the gods had taken physical form, and wanted to give blood-sacrifices to Sha'ul and Barnaba.

It is a heathen thought that Elohim would take the shape of a man. Just consider what YHWH says through Navi S'muel: I am not a man so I could lie, not a son of man...

This means that Elohim can't be a man, therefore, it is impossible that Elohim was a man; therefore, it is impossible that Yeshua is/was Elohim.

Elohim needed a man to save mankind, not another Elohim.

The very foundation in the Torah is that Elohim is one. All other commandments rests on this truth. To imply that there are several persons, or mixed nature in Yeshua (100 % God, 10% man) is to mix in new components. That is not from the Torah.

Our Response...

Thank you so much for your comments! Explaining the YHWH/Y'shua relationship is no easy matter!

First - are correct: There is no such thing as "trinity." That is strictly a made-up Christian term. YHWH is echad (plural form of "One"). But, in all honesty, we don't see in any Bible version that any other god besides YHWH is referred to as "Elohim". They are always referred to as "gods"....

The Bible tells us that Yeshua was YHWH (Philippians 2:6-11), the "perfecter of our faith" (Hebrews 5:1-10, Hebrews 12:2).

Furthermore, if what you say above is true, then what are you going to do about the fact that Yeshua was foreshadowed throughout the Tanach (see Qualifications of Messiah)?

What are you going to do about the fact that He has fulfilled most of the 300+ Tanach prophecies single-handedly (see Accurate Messiah Prophecies)?

What are you going to do about the fact that He has fulfilled EXACTLY as outlined, the first four of the seven Biblical feasts? (see Biblical Feasts)?

Why did the Azazel goat's collar/ribbon NEVER AGAIN turn white AFTER Yeshua died on the cross? (See Azazel Goat, Talmudic Evidence for Messiah at 30 BCE.)

What are you going to do about Isaiah 53 which DOES refer to Messiah?

YHWH is God and He can do anything He wants. He is the Alef/Taf (Alpha/Omega - Beginning/End). He Himself can't be born or die, but who's to say He couldn't choose a human vessel to put His qnoma (Nature) into - someone to reveal YHWH and His Torah to the world who, in the end, would martyr Himself as our FINAL SIN SACRIFICE? If YHWH can manifest Himself in the form of a burning bush, pillars of cloud and fire, three men at the Oaks of Mamre, and speak through a donkey - not to mention that He created the ENTIRE UNIVERSE and human beings - then WHY can't He manifest Himself in the form of a man called Yeshua? Please see Andrew Gabriel Roth's discussion on trinity.

Below is a footnote from the Aramaic English New Testament, which serves to explain YHWH's Son:

Qnoma is a very important term that has been greatly diluted and misunderstood over the centuries. Through an exceedingly complex linguistic chain of events this word, meaning "an occurrence of a nature" got morphed and perverted into "person" in Greek. As a result, the One Elohim (YHWH) is represented in a pagan manner in the Greek New Testament as a "person" distinct and equal with "Elohim the Son" and "Elohim the Ruach haKodesh." Instead, it is the oneness of YHWH that manifests in Mashiyach, not that Mashiyach’s divinity is separate from his Father’s. However, in this case we are talking about humanity and not YHWH, and both of them have "natures" that cannot be seen, and yet are a root part of their being.

Or, to put it another way, a "nature" is like a body hidden behind a curtain. For those in the audience, nothing of that nature can be seen. Then, all of a sudden, a hand and part of an arm appears through the veil. While we know there is a body attached to that limb, the limb is all we see. Furthermore, that arm moves with full force, will and agreement of the mind that controls the body. For the viewers, the arm appearing out of the curtain is the qnoma (occurrence) and the hidden mind behind that limb’s movement is its kyanna (nature).

As the centuries moved along, the ancient meaning of qnoma as "occurrence of a nature" devolved by Aramaic assemblies who compromised with the Byzantine Empire. Gradually, "core substance" became the common definition; at first it closely paralleled its Greek counterpart, hypostasis. More time passed and Greek redactors changed the meaning of hypostasi, taking it further from the original definition of qnoma. Qnoma/hypostasis became equivalent to "person" to line up with Greek passages that used this meaning in the form of the word prospon.

In Greek, "person" implies a physical presence as opposed to Aramaic where body metaphors like "I will set my face towards" are very common. The revision began at the beginning of the Third Century when these same "westernized" Aramaic Christians began to proffer up readings in their "Peshitt-o" versions of Acts 20:28 and Hebrews 2:9 that were meant to align with the Byzantine majority Greek. However, the original eastern "Peshitt-a" escaped these revisions as it was in the rival Persian Empire. Aramaic, as in this verse, retains the original meaning of qnoma. It is NOT the external "person" that teaches someone about Elohim, but the Ruach working through their "inner being." The idea of "person" in Greek, unfortunately, does not address the neshama (spirit) of a person as the likeness or "image of Elohim."

For a more indepth study, please check out our article, Yeshua is God!....